Poll: Who started the war in Gaza?

As much as I would love to vote – it will completely contradict everything which I just posted *Shameless plug*. I will sit this one out – sorry

You are missing the correct answer: BOTH

I voted Hamas for getting on Israel’s nerves. That’s not supposed to be the way things are done. If they outnumber you, and have more power over you, don’t piss them off!

And who the hell voted women and children? WTF!!

Honestly, it’s both their faults…

That’s actually a pretty complicated answer, considering it’s really only a component of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Depending on when you think it started or how you present the facts, anyone could be responsible. In the end, I think the majority of people are misguided in how they speak about the war regardless of which side they’re supporting. When it comes down to it, both sides are doing a lot of things that, as educated and ethical human beings, we should not agree with.

Really I blame America. They fund Israel with all the support they can, and since they support them, Israel isn’t a terrorist state… in their eyes anyway.

And the sad truth is, this isn’t going to change. Obama loves Israel more than America – just like Bush and Cheney.

One reason why I can see most Arab countries sitting still is because they now a strike now will be serious hell. You have NO IDEA what America has, some of their toys even scare me, and can be seen everyday.

They have already used horrific bio-logical weapons that have not been reported on. Try and find stuff on Fallujah for example, little to nothing allowed to be reported on – and what you can find is extremely fucked up.

Besides that, what Arab countries are left that could do anything?

Saudi Arabia is with America, Kuwait has been for years (helped stage the fucking Gulf War against Iraq the first time), Modern Iraq is a fucking disaster/neo-American test site, Syria – mixed signals but probably pissed Israel bombed their weapons (and have shown favor towards Russia more than America), and Pakistan has been with America for a while (helped stage the 9/11 shit). And once Obama takes office the rest of Afghanistan is gone (except the opium fields they re-planted – need those to continue fucking up Mexico) and maybe some other country… though I feel Africa (all of it) is the next battlefield.

It is thanks to WW2, being the complete historical fuck up it was (which no history book has explained correctly), now we have the beginning of WW3.

Israel was placed in the Middle East to fuck it up, mission success.

Take in mind I harbor no hate towards a certain people, just the individuals who cause this and neglect to stop it.

I know a lot of Israelis are pissed at this as well as the people in Gaza getting hit from every side. The final war is coming, and this is not from any religious stand-point. This behavior cannot continue for much longer before something breaks and it gets out of control. Be ready.

/rant

btw it’s been a while since I was here, hi Mona. I see the layout has changed quite a bit since I was last here.

@Brandon

You can remove this link if you wish, but it is a small glimpse of what the US military is doing, the media lying about it, and why no Arab countries wish to be involved. I’m fucking pissed at the way people have become.

More can be found, and this was a quick Google Image search of “Fallujah”.

Warning! Graphic Picture!
http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0372.html

I don’t know if it helps but my father always blames me if anything went wrong…so…maybe I’m the one your looking for

[KiDDiNG]
I voted Israel…in the end they have the power to raise a war and blame others for it…so definitely, Israel

Times have changed
Our kids are getting worse
They won’t obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Should we blame the government?
Or blame society?
Or should we blame the images on TV?
No, blame Canada
Blame Canada
With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies
Blame Canada
Blame Canada

On TV, there is not past. Each war materializes out of nowhere. Stuff happens for a while. Good guys and bad guys appear. Then the story vanishes, and we forget all about it. Until next time when the whole process repeats.

You know, better than me, that this mess had started a long, long time ago. No matter how horrible the deaths are–and they are horrible–in history, this is one small battle. There were battles before, and there will be more battles in the future. I don’t see this as ever being resolved. Ever. I want it to be fixed yesterday, but I don’t see it happening.

I want to vote for the Romans as the cause for kicking it all off with the diaspora. Or perhaps the British for destabilizing the area in WW I. Or perhaps Hitler. Hitler is the best target ever. Usually even the worst leaders have _some_ followers, but Hitler’s posse is mostly in prison and looney bins.

I blame the UN. If they hadn’t forcibly created a Jewish state in the middle of very Arab Palestine this wouldn’t be happening. They should have been given an independent state in Germany.

John J you should blame the British for creating the Balfour declaration and then blame the United States for taking it seriously

I would also like to blame T.E. Lawrence for being a racist colonialist.

In all seriousness though? Its Israel’s own fault.

@Edmund
From reading the history (not an expert) England protested against the formation of Israel arguing that this conflict would be started (they probably had their own personal reasons too, but that is one of their arguments against the UN resolution). Any time a European power has interfered with a native population it has always ended badly for that population.

I don’t have to pick any specific country . It is already in ur list… :mrgreen:

it’s the humanitarian crisis that bugs me. it bugs me that we can justify a loss of life. it bugs me how this has become a religious war where both sides are intolerant of any criticism, who think killing someone from the other side is ok.

some people call it antisemitic to criticise israel. or anti-islamic for criticising the palestinian sides. the truth is that we forgot the number of people that have been destroyed by this.

@Leeroy Glinchy
Why do you think there can never ever be a resolution for the situation? Things are always changing, people realize new things and new ideas emerge constantly. Otherwise the whole human race might as well commit simultaneous suicide and leave earth to the animals. When French and German businessmen shake hands in a hotel in Strasbourg, there are rivers of blood and dead bodies beneath their feet, in numbers that the middle east hasn’t even came close to. It might seem impossible but on the other hand it’s inevitable. It’s just a question of “when”.

If your looking for people to blame for the situation throughout history, I would agree with Jean-Jacques Rousseau:

“The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.”

I think this sums it all… every war that ever took place on earth.

The war in Gaza was started by the Germans in the 1930’s. Because the Nazi’s sparked the latest stream of hatred agains the jews causing the allied forces to ‘once and for all’ solve their issues by giving the jews a land. Well, that land wasn’t exactly empty at the time so conflict was built in that solution. The land was owned by the british and it was ’sort-of’ their idea. If you take peoples land, you cause generations-lasting wars. This is just one episode in that string of wars…..

You didn’t put this option in your poll, so here it is..

It’s them germans again….
Cheers

Evidence points to the latest bout of destruction starting with an Israeli incursion into Gaza back in November.

Armed militants are to blame for taking every excuse to retaliate.

The Romans, The Nazis, the Brits, America, the UN, Iran, religion, politics, ideology, indecision, indifference… everybody has a role in this long bloody scenario, not forgetting those who committed acts of terrorism in order to lay claim to something they’d not possessed in two millennia! Oh wait, they eventually became legitimate politicians so they’re really freedom fighters, right?

More important than who started this is that this it should just *stop*. And stay that way. Free Palestine, disarm militants, grow diplomacy a set of balls and suspend the bullies.

Salam,

I’m not a Palestinian, but with all do respect to you, mona, the question of this pull can’t be more stupid than that.It’s sad really, coming from a Palestinian.Was the rocket firing the reason for occupying Palestine??!
What happened all these decades when Palestinians had nothing to fire?? did they get their land back?? what happened when the Palestinians didn’t resist occupation?? what was the result of the so called “peace talks”??
Not only they got NOTHING, but more illegal settlements and land theft by the Jews, more siege and starving of the Gaza population,the building of the illegal wall in the west bank, the daily humiliation Palestinians endure at the crossing point,target assassination of Palestinians almost on a daily basis…The list is too long to list..With all that mentioned, we expect the people in occupied Palestine to just do nothing and wait for the jews to give them their land and rights??

Aside from the propaganda talk, I say to all peace loving Jews that the criminal actions of your government WILL not be forgotten by over a billion Muslims all over the world,and the only thing keeping these billion from you is the those corrupt and totalitarian Arab leaders…so its a matter of time until people get their freedom from those dictators…and the time WILL come sooner or later.

zq 1

Nana :
what was the result of the so called �peace talks�??

The ‘peace talks’ were not meant to bring peace. They are meant to comfort the average person that things are getting better, or that at least the leaders are trying to make things better.

When Palestine is gone completely, that is the ‘peace’ deal that will happen, and only that.

Never trust what these sick bastards say, ever. They say what people want to hear and nothing more.

i must put my two cents in here. standing up to the fascists was the right thing to do. I recall that Nazi Germany was basically bombed back to the stone age and then rebuilt and its people deprogrammed. Standing up to a (currently)lesser armed (until Iran gets THE bomb) but even more rapid philosophy, islamofascisum, is even more important to do. Total annihilation could be the right option in this case though as islamofascisum is incredibly difficult to exterminate

okay so if somebody shoots a rocket in your house, would you just sit there and do nothing? well, that is what Israel was doing.