But to make a long story short:

- He won with ONLY 52% in terms of popular vote – which means that in spite of massive mobilisation of his own electorate he needed every single vote he could possibly count on.
- How strong is the Jewish/pro-Israeli vote in the US? What do they represent in terms of numbers? Of influence? Of effective voting? Of money for his campaign?
- With comparison to this – what does the Arab American/Muslim/pro-Palestinian represent in terms of electorate? In terms of EFFECTIVE support?

Just answer to these questions and you have it all.

He will be active everywhere his hands are free (e.g. on the environment because he is not indebted to the petrobucks). On the other issues his efficiency will be very limited at best.

So, yes, hope for change – diluted in A LOT of realism.

One drop of wine in a BIG glass of water.

Otherwise about pissing off other countries – Russia, yeah, but do not forget China… the emerging superpower of this century. And India should not be overlooked either – AND India has the atomic bomb! (I think China as well for that matter).

US power is clearly on the decline and unable to sustain itself with its economy down the toilet (together with that of the world for that matter) – for better for worse, only time will tell.

Thus in this context, no use bickering too much about Obama – his relevance will only decline with time. If he can get the US to engage in the fight against climate change this will already be a BIG deal, and maybe that’s about all the world can expect from him. Not even sure his influence on the economy will be that much paramount.

Let’s keep silent about all the rest – hardly existent if at all.

Don’t know if the man is sincere and good-willed, I dont’t pretend to be a mind reader – but whether he is or not is not going to make hell of a lot of a difference anyway.

jackieh :
Obama in fact does have a pro-Palestinian past.

And which past were you looking at? He has quite a few ‘pasts’ from what I’ve read. I’ve heard he’s a Christian, he’s a Muslim, he’s ‘Barry Satoro’, he’s not an American born citizen, he’s related to Cheney… the list goes on and on. They have peppered his past for a reason… and not all of them were done by racists fucks either. They do the same for EVERY conspiracy ‘theory’, ever heard of Roswell? Of course you have! Nobody knows the truth about it now either!

He is also a politician, and they are 2nd only to lawyers as the worlds biggest liars, need proof get a History book, any country will do.

jackieh :
But he is not alone in his country, and this “most powerful man of the world” stuff is just nonsense.

Yeah, Bush wasn’t too powerful either was he? He was totally stopped when he wanted to go to war with random people in the Middle East, they even called him on his shit ‘evidence’ too. Yep, nobody fell for his tripe, musicians didn’t sing songs for him, people didn’t enlist for ‘duty’, The 9/11 Commission answered every question about what happened and told the truth… What world were you in?
All Obama has to do is piss Russia off an it’s over for everyone, you’ll have nukes and weapons you’ve never heard of emerge overnight with allies taking sides… and the GREAT part is, according to some of Nostradamus’ stuff. Russia will be provoked and war will break out again, believe what you want.

Do you trust people to make the best choice (lol) or have you experienced the real world?

jackieh :
He is part of a system that he will not overturn alone even if he wanted to. Best proof of it, he had to pander to Israeli interests just to get elected (after all, in terms of popular vote, 52 % is not that much if you consider the turnover for the vote – which means that without massive mobilisation from his supporters McCain would certainly have won the election – it was much sharper indeed than what the media conveyed).

Yeah, the House of Representatives put him in before the votes were counted – I was watching it. It helped me solidify that what I was told about in History was bullshit. People only vote so they can feel like they have a voice.
He didn’t pander to Israel, it’s called acting – Like Bush being the ‘idiot’ all the time.

jackieh :
And even now, the odds that he will be able to say or do a lot in the right direction are very few. A small inflexion would already be a revolution in itself – thus, no, I would not expect too much from him – if anything at all.
Add on top of this that internal issues are his priority, and Middle East was not even considered an international priority bafore the events in Gaza, and you have the whole picture.
His hands are tied.

His hands are not tied, they are free. He’s making you watch one hand while he waves the other. Trust him if you want, I wouldn’t load him a pencil. He is feigning ‘hope’ to play on human sympathy. He is the ‘good cop’ for Bush’s ‘bad cop’…

He loves Israel > Palestine, if he didn’t he wouldn’t stand for Israel’s bullshit and halt ALL funding to them and increase funding to what is still lingering of Palestine. Ramming through the Gaza blockades with aid and attacking Israel forces if needed. I’d do it. Sure it would lead to fighting, but at least we’d be fighting for something good for a ‘change’.

A vid from his YouTube Channel…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jATQU2qh1m4

Never done multi-quotes, so here’s hoping I got it right!

I wouldn’t have too much hope in Obama if I were you. He loves Israel more than Bush… and he’s going to go back to Afghanistan and destroy what we missed the first time.

Obama in fact does have a pro-Palestinian past.

But he is not alone in his country, and this “most powerful man of the world” stuff is just nonsense. He is part of a system that he will not overturn alone even if he wanted to. Best proof of it, he had to pander to Israeli interests just to get elected (after all, in terms of popular vote, 52 % is not that much if you consider the turnover for the vote – which means that without massive mobilisation from his supporters McCain would certainly have won the election – it was much sharper indeed than what the media conveyed). And even now, the odds that he will be able to say or do a lot in the right direction are very few. A small inflexion would already be a revolution in itself – thus, no, I would not expect too much from him – if anything at all.

Add on top of this that internal issues are his priority, and Middle East was not even considered an international priority bafore the events in Gaza, and you have the whole picture.

His hands are tied.

Professor Mikey :
I agree with you completely related to the idea that this is a generation thing that is happening in the world. I had a discussion (to put it nicely) with my grandmother related to the US prez election about how there was a growing movement among the youth of this country that was going to lead to some big things occurring in the future. 18-30 yr are the key reason we have elected Obama and most of my friends in Iowa attended their first caucus that got him started.

I wouldn’t have too much hope in Obama if I were you. He loves Israel more than Bush… and he’s going to go back to Afghanistan and destroy what we missed the first time.

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The WW2 gen. in control is the main problem. They grew up in a world where they had their parents and leaders telling them what to think, whether they knew it was wrong or not and so that is all they know.

Luckily, this generation has the internet, we can communicate freely what we feel and help re-assure each other that this shit is messed up, among other things. This is why so many countries want the web censored.

But to put everything into perspective… nothing can be done, just look at this situation and realize that it is wrong and be thankful you are not there.

We have much bigger problems coming.

stop this killing

what a red cross spokesman had to say