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By: Ahmed Masri

Ahmed Masri — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:39:08 +0000

You remind me of a story told to me as a child, when I asked questions about heaven and hell…

I won’t relay the story here, but the jist of it was that if once we are born, and since God knows what we will do, why doesn’t he just throw us to the place where we will eventually end up (heaven or hell), and the answer was because then we wouldn’t understand why we are there (in heaven or in hell) if we did not live our lives and make the choices that sent us there.

By: maarten

maarten — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:37:12 +0000

Im sorry if i caused you offence. Not that I apologise for my opinion, but still it is your weblog and I am your humble guest. I guess converts are the worst.

By: maarten

maarten — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:27:41 +0000

@Mona If you wish so, so be it. I understand you rather like to hear opinions you agree with, we all do. I still think that my comment wast out of place, since the topic is predestination.

By: Mona

Mona — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:13:24 +0000

@maarten Listen, I know I have let you comment on my blog enough about your atheistic or non-believer of God views, and I am honestly sick of it. Some of us are offended by it, and really don't want to argue or even read it. You have your views, then don't bother trying to convince us, actually me, a devout Muslim who has great faith in God, and only one God the creator, of such views. Ok? Keep it to your self from now on, I am not enjoying reading them.

By: maarten

maarten — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:08:53 +0000

Islamically, when you learn the creations, you learn that the second creation is the pen and the guarded tablet which holds everything that happened from the begging of time and everything that will happen untill the end of time.

What evidence is there for such a tablet? In any way, this belief, when taken seriously would lead to apathy. Why bother if everything has been decided beforehand?

If i jump infront of a car, that purely had everything to do with me. But i would argue that yeah i jumped infront of the car, but its by the will of allah i jumped infront of the car, if allah didnt want that to happen I wouldnt of done it.

This would imply that all murdereres, thieves and rapists do their evil because Allah wants it.

â€œIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?â€

Epicurus â€“ Greek philosopher, BC 341-270

By: Ahmed Masri

Ahmed Masri — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:40:35 +0000

Great Question! This one kills my brain.

Right now, I think I will mostly agree with Jazzy. God I think is outside of time. He can see all of time the way we see a picture, for example. So he knows everyting and to Him, it’s all pre-ordained.

But since we do not know ourselves, we are then living with, what I feel to be the ‘Illusion’ of Free Will… which bothers the shit out of me.

On the other hand, What if our free will is real.. and our choices affect the universe, like ripples in an infinite ocean. In that case, would “pre-destiny” (from God’s perspective) be an ever changing, real-time video rather than a picture?

By: Jazzy

Jazzy — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:07:17 +0000

Hm, I say that everything is pre-defined, but our choices are what makes them happen.

now my mother and i argued one day, i dont know how it came to it, i cant even remember the background story to it. But we were arguing because she thinks that allah dosent make us do stupid things allah gave us brains to figure out right from wrong…. example If i jump infront of a car, that purely had everything to do with me. But i would argue that yeah i jumped infront of the car, but its by the will of allah i jumped infront of the car, if allah didnt want that to happen I wouldnt of done it.

and i just wanted to leave a little quote, it kind of has a bit to do with pre-destination.
– God doesnâ€™t give you the people you want God gives you the people you need. To help you to hurt you to have you and to make you into the person you were meant to be.

By: oksana

oksana — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:29:50 +0000

There is an old joke in Ukraine.
“One time a very poor man got tired of being poor all the time. He prayed to God every day and finally God answered his prayers: once the man woke up and saw God by his side, telling him that he will get rich and will win a lottery. The man got so happy. He was waiting one-two-three days, weeks and weeks but he never won a lottery. When he died he went to heaven, saw God and asked Him furiously – you told me I’d win a lottery, why I never did? Then God answered – why did you never buy a lottery ticket?”
I’m not best joke teller, but I like the story. Some things are predetermined. Some things/signs/help are given to us along the way. But it’s up to us to choose to use it or not.
Maarten, great smartass discussion

By: Dina

Dina — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:18:15 +0000

I STRONGLY believe we are shaping our own destinies.
There is limited “material” we can work with resulting from external circumstances, but we always always have choices left.

And the “kismet” attitude holds people back. Discourages them of taking control.
Very detrimental.