Comments on: The main determining factor http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/ Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:30:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Mais http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49338 Mais Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:09:00 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49338 Mohamed, Im not talking about fairness, fairness is completely subjective throughout different cultures religious and ethnic backgrounds. For example, muslims think honor killings (suicides) are fair. Some African tribes believe that cooking and eating the body of an infidel is fair. I dont have a problem with arranged marriages either, Ive met a few girls in my life that (really) need guidance in choosing decent men. Im talking about the proven scientifically documented problems of girls under 18 giving birth, psychological and physiological effects of child marriages on girls, and a whole host of other things which Islam permits. Im very concerned about the children and feel they should be protected under secular state law rather than sharia law which if a child gets her period at age 11 can technically be married off. What a disgrace. I couldnt really care less about Western girls problems. If she feels pressure to have sex I only advocate widely available condom and birth control pills. However, the incidence of teenage pregnancy is very very very low in most the developed world, minus the UK. Even then, in the UK it has got more to do with the benefits of being a single mother than girls actually forgetting to take a pill or use a condom. Mohamed, Im not talking about fairness, fairness is completely subjective throughout different cultures religious and ethnic backgrounds. For example, muslims think honor killings (suicides) are fair. Some African tribes believe that cooking and eating the body of an infidel is fair.

I dont have a problem with arranged marriages either, Ive met a few girls in my life that (really) need guidance in choosing decent men. Im talking about the proven scientifically documented problems of girls under 18 giving birth, psychological and physiological effects of child marriages on girls, and a whole host of other things which Islam permits. Im very concerned about the children and feel they should be protected under secular state law rather than sharia law which if a child gets her period at age 11 can technically be married off. What a disgrace.

I couldnt really care less about Western girls problems. If she feels pressure to have sex I only advocate widely available condom and birth control pills. However, the incidence of teenage pregnancy is very very very low in most the developed world, minus the UK. Even then, in the UK it has got more to do with the benefits of being a single mother than girls actually forgetting to take a pill or use a condom.

]]> By: mohamed http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49336 mohamed Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:13:08 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49336 <a href="#comment-49334" rel="nofollow">@Mais </a> A lot of women are abused everywhere in the world not just in Muslim contries. I read the links u gave me, it's very sad. The women in Palestine get abused quite often by the zionist occupiers. Look at the women here in the west, they're under lots of pressure to be dressed up inappropriately, being used as sexual objects as well. It is ok for a girl to marry her cousin, however if she refuses him as a husband then her parents cannot force her and this goes for every man who presents himself for marriage (cousin or not). There is nothing wrong with arranged marriages in Islam, however forced marriages go against the teachings of Islam. By arranged marriages I mean parents find spouses for their children and they let them sit with each other and if they get along then they take it to the next step, they don't then they move on. As for age restriction it's not right to make a girl marry someone who's 20 years older then her...it's not fair. She should get married to someone who's for example 2 to 7 years older than her. Does Islam has age restriction for marriage? That I do not know, but I know that when a girl reaches puberty sometimes her parents marry her off in some countries, but this is happening less and less often nowadays. @Mais
A lot of women are abused everywhere in the world not just in Muslim contries. I read the links u gave me, it’s very sad. The women in Palestine get abused quite often by the zionist occupiers. Look at the women here in the west, they’re under lots of pressure to be dressed up inappropriately, being used as sexual objects as well. It is ok for a girl to marry her cousin, however if she refuses him as a husband then her parents cannot force her and this goes for every man who presents himself for marriage (cousin or not). There is nothing wrong with arranged marriages in Islam, however forced marriages go against the teachings of Islam. By arranged marriages I mean parents find spouses for their children and they let them sit with each other and if they get along then they take it to the next step, they don’t then they move on. As for age restriction it’s not right to make a girl marry someone who’s 20 years older then her…it’s not fair. She should get married to someone who’s for example 2 to 7 years older than her. Does Islam has age restriction for marriage? That I do not know, but I know that when a girl reaches puberty sometimes her parents marry her off in some countries, but this is happening less and less often nowadays.

]]> By: Charlie http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49335 Charlie Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:46:15 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49335 ok i understand ya now i can see some1 marrying there 3ed or even there 2ed but i just cant understand some1 marrying there 1st i know its allowed but ugggg its really like marrying some1 whos already family :???: n lets just say the man (the husband)his father in law would also be his uncle i dont understand why this is even allowed :???: ok i understand ya now i can see some1 marrying there 3ed or even there 2ed but i just cant understand some1 marrying there 1st i know its allowed but ugggg its really like marrying some1 whos already family :???: n lets just say the man (the husband)his father in law would also be his uncle i dont understand why this is even allowed :???:

]]> By: Mais http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49334 Mais Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:10:37 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49334 Well Charlie what I meant was its hard enough that if youre attractive, most men you study, work with, are in youre group of friends see you sexually, ie want to have sex with you. I mean is it too much for me to ask that I can at least be comfortable with the men in my family? Or is every man out there other than my immediate family and uncles allowed to want to have sex with me one day? Well Charlie what I meant was its hard enough that if youre attractive, most men you study, work with, are in youre group of friends see you sexually, ie want to have sex with you.

I mean is it too much for me to ask that I can at least be comfortable with the men in my family? Or is every man out there other than my immediate family and uncles allowed to want to have sex with me one day?

]]> By: Charlie http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49330 Charlie Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:27:02 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49330 <a href="#comment-49325" rel="nofollow">@Mais</a> if i may what do u mean with its hard enough without having youre cousins allowed to see you sexually ? :twisted: @Mais
if i may what do u mean with its hard enough without having youre cousins allowed to see you sexually ? :twisted:

]]> By: Charlie http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49326 Charlie Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:05:27 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49326 Among the four established Sunni schools of legal thought in Islam, the Hanafi school is the OLDEST. It has a reputation for putting greater emphasis on the role of REASON and being slightly more LIBERAL than the other three schools. The Hanafi school also has the most FOLLOWERS among the four major Sunni schools.I just wanted 2 put this out there this is the 1 were it states that a adult female does not requrie the premision from her dad or a guardian 2 marry a man p.s i know she should but i am just stateing that she dont need it n if she diden get it the marryage would be vaild salams Among the four established Sunni schools of legal thought in Islam, the Hanafi school is the OLDEST. It has a reputation for putting greater emphasis on the role of REASON and being slightly more LIBERAL than the other three schools. The Hanafi school also has the most FOLLOWERS among the four major Sunni schools.I just wanted 2 put this out there this is the 1 were it states that a adult female does not requrie the premision from her dad or a guardian 2 marry a man p.s i know she should but i am just stateing that she dont need it n if she diden get it the marryage would be vaild salams

]]> By: Mais http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49325 Mais Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:12:16 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49325 Women & Islamic Cultures: Family, law, and politics - Suad Joseph, Afsaneh Najmabadi www.unfpa.org <--- united nations website http://www.unfpa.org/public/cache/offonce/News/pid/2936 www.unfpa.org/emergencies/symposium06/docs/daytwosessionfivecyasin.ppt - 2008-07-15 Well By suicide Im including honor killings as well as girls killing themselves to 'preserve family honor' because thats suicide under another name. UN estimates put it at around 4000-6000 each year. But I guess that to some people honor killings (suicides) are totally justified under religious doctrine. Can I also ask you, Mohammed, do you think that its okay for girls to be married off to their cousins. I mean its hard enough without having youre cousins allowed to see you sexually. Also, do you think there should be an age of restriction for marriage? Women & Islamic Cultures: Family, law, and politics – Suad Joseph, Afsaneh Najmabadi

http://www.unfpa.org <— united nations website

http://www.unfpa.org/public/cache/offonce/News/pid/2936

http://www.unfpa.org/emergencies/symposium06/docs/daytwosessionfivecyasin.ppt – 2008-07-15

Well By suicide Im including honor killings as well as girls killing themselves to 'preserve family honor' because thats suicide under another name. UN estimates put it at around 4000-6000 each year. But I guess that to some people honor killings (suicides) are totally justified under religious doctrine.

Can I also ask you, Mohammed, do you think that its okay for girls to be married off to their cousins. I mean its hard enough without having youre cousins allowed to see you sexually. Also, do you think there should be an age of restriction for marriage?

]]> By: mohamed http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49324 mohamed Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:47:42 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49324 <a href="#comment-49323" rel="nofollow">@Mais </a> To be honest with you sister I did not hear anything about this stat, can you please give me the source? Tribalism is forbitten in Islam, in fact there's a hadith about that, I don't know how it goes. A guardian who refuses someone for his daughter because he comes from a different tribe is wrong. Lineage has nothing to do with tribe, it has to do with the race as a whole. "Our school takes kafa’ah (suitability) in lineage into consideration, so an [s. Arab] father has the right to reject a non-Arab man who proposes to marry his daughter. This is not discrimination between races, rather this is respecting the differences in human dispositions and customs between the races. The differences in dispositions between non-Arabs and Arabs are clear even among Muslims, irrespective of whether these are correct or incorrect." (Shaykh Amjad Rasheed) @Mais
To be honest with you sister I did not hear anything about this stat, can you please give me the source?

Tribalism is forbitten in Islam, in fact there’s a hadith about that, I don’t know how it goes. A guardian who refuses someone for his daughter because he comes from a different tribe is wrong. Lineage has nothing to do with tribe, it has to do with the race as a whole.

“Our school takes kafa’ah (suitability) in lineage into consideration, so an [s. Arab] father has the right to reject a non-Arab man who proposes to marry his daughter. This is not discrimination between races, rather this is respecting the differences in human dispositions and customs between the races. The differences in dispositions between non-Arabs and Arabs are clear even among Muslims, irrespective of whether these are correct or incorrect.” (Shaykh Amjad Rasheed)

]]> By: Mais http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49323 Mais Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:34:19 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49323 Mohammed You seem to know what youre talking about so can you explain to me why Muslim women have the highest suicide rate in the world in the age bracket of 18-25 (the age most get married)? Also, Lots of muslim families are quite tribal so they pretty much refuse everyone thats not from their own tribe. I guess thats covered in ''lineage''. Mohammed

You seem to know what youre talking about so can you explain to me why Muslim women have the highest suicide rate in the world in the age bracket of 18-25 (the age most get married)?

Also, Lots of muslim families are quite tribal so they pretty much refuse everyone thats not from their own tribe. I guess thats covered in ”lineage”.

]]> By: Charlie http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/2009/11/07/the-main-determining-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-49322 Charlie Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:31:55 +0000 http://www.rebelliousarabgirl.net/?p=9555#comment-49322 <a href="#comment-49315" rel="nofollow">@mohamed</a> lol right lol i belive love how ever it happens is from Allah n besides Islam love is the greatess gift that Allah can give u or me or anyboby in this world so who is anyboby 2 refuse anything from Allah my good brother i thank u again 4 yr input n i do agree with u 4 the most part u see my problem is i come from a christain family were every man asks her dad b4 he asks her himself but inshallah the dad always says yes i cant remember any 1 here not getting marryed caz of her dad or anything like that salams my good brother n may Allah guide u n keep u on the right path n me 2 :up: @mohamed lol right lol i belive love how ever it happens is from Allah n besides Islam love is the greatess gift that Allah can give u or me or anyboby in this world so who is anyboby 2 refuse anything from Allah my good brother i thank u again 4 yr input n i do agree with u 4 the most part u see my problem is i come from a christain family were every man asks her dad b4 he asks her himself but inshallah the dad always says yes i cant remember any 1 here not getting marryed caz of her dad or anything like that salams my good brother n may Allah guide u n keep u on the right path n me 2
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